"The Origin of Quran. Its transmission, compilation, corruption/preservation and current status".

A COMPREHENSIVE WRTITTEN DEBATE BETWEEN THREE ATHEISTS, A CHRISTIAN AND THREE MUSLIMS.

The debate will be hosted jointly by Exploring Faiths Organization (THIS BLOG) and the group "Religion, philosophy, let us talk about it" (http://www.facebook.com/groups/181024738596591/) and Islamic Perimeter (www.islamicperimeter.com). The debate will be published onhttp://www.exploringfo.blogspot.com and in the group mentioned above and also on the website http;//www.islamicperimeter.com

Mr. Kurien Varghese: A believer and a Christian. He is also a strong critique of Islam. In the current debate his participation is momentous, as he strongly suggests that it is the Qura’nic verses that are the root of all evil.

MR KUREIN VARGHESE'S OPENING STATEMENT

Greetings in the name of Lord & Savior Jesus Christ. The only True God who came to mankind in Human form. Let me Introduce myself Am a Born Again Christian, I believe in freedom of speech, equality, worship & Humanity for everybody. Any religion which teaches hate, Does /Encourage violence, Commits crime, Kills anybody who leaves it or use force & fear to keep its followers in it, can’t be from the Holy God yes from DEVIL only.

Regarding Islam it’s a political ideology wrapped itself in religion to keep it safe from being noticed as a political movement. Anything ever existed can be proved by Ancient manuscripts, Historians record, Archeological finds & Carbon dating.

Regarding the assembly of quran

When a close examination of the historical references regarding the compilation of the Qur'an, demonstrates that the weight of the evidence does not support the Muslim claims as anything being Divine. Any person investigating about Quran, should go to prehistoric Arabia, the culture, the tradition, their way of living to know it. When we examine the quran we can find all is stories/fables borrowed from, Christian,Persian, Jewish, Indian,etc.

That's why we find many foreign words, traditions & rituals, similarities which other people followed all compiled in islam making it a word of a Lunatic who copy pasted & composed a new thing. The quran & hadith represents the exact behavior of a 7th century illiterate, warlord, his fear, genocide, his treason, his way of thinking, his terrorists acts, domination of people by fear & death for those who dont agree with him.

Normally the generation who lived with muhamad should know more details about quran & muhamad than the later generations. But when we examine the Archeological finds no contemporary inscriptions/writings of muhamad was found as a prophet of islam in the last 200years of his death which provide a doubt on the quran & muhamad itself.

Quran is a product of centuries of editing & writing

The first time was during the epoch of Muhammad: it was preserved in the chest of the companions, & parts of it were written on the leathery sheets, white stones, palm's sheets & ostrich bones
During the epoch of Muhammad, the quran was not written in a collective book till Muhammad died on the year 10A.H corresponding to 632 G
The first assembly of the quran was done during the epoch of Abe Baker , as many of the quran memorizers died in wars , Omer suggested to Abe Baker to assemble the quran in one book , as Omer noticed that most of the keepers of the quran were killed in the Muslim wars, especially the battle of Al-Yamamah , so Omer rushed to Abe Baker asking him to assemble the quran in one book lest loosing it completely
Abe Baker asked Zaied Ibn Thabet to assemble the quran, & it was assembled in the 07 letters, or the 07 different recitations
The quran was preserved with Abe Baker till he died, then with Omer after him till he was killed, & then it was with Hafsa the daughter of Omer, & it was the reference that Othman Ibn Affan referred to
After the death of Hafsa, Marawan Ibn Al-Hakam the governor of Al-Medina seized that quran, which was the original reference for the quran, as recited by Muhammad,
That quran was destroyed & mutilated by Marawan Ibn Al-Hakam and he demolished it completely
Historical events were mentioned in the following references:
Sahih Al-Bokhary, the conquest chapter, converse number 4000
The proofs for the prophecy by Al-Bayhaqy, part 3, page 277
The perfection in the quran’s sciences by Al-Syouty, part 1, page 60
The qurans by Al-Sajistany
That was the 1st assembly of the quran in one book & it was destroyed, mutilated and completely demolished by Marawan Ibn Al-Hakam
The most important assembly in history was done by Othman Ibn Affan, as Othman found that Muslims are fighting with each other because of the discrepancies of the 07 recitations of the quran so he commanded to reassemble the quran on year 25 A.H
So the 07 recitations of the quran were collected together, & they referred to the original quran of Abe Baker preserved with Hafsa before its destruction by Marawan Ibn Al-Hakam
Othman found that there are 07 different qurans, & people are fighting because of that multitude of qurans, so he burned six of the seven qurans & preserved only one. HE DID IT TO COVER THE SCANDLE THAT THEIR WAS ONLY 1 QURAN.
How could he do that, it is a bizarre behavior, & a very serious issue
The quran of Othman was devoid of speckling, & figuration
Al-Sajistany mentioned that copies of that version of quran which was called the Imam Quran were sent to all Islamic capitals (1)

2-The assembly of quran during the Amawian epoch

As the Arabic alphabetical had no vowel letters, During the Amawian epoch, the Amawian people made a modified quran adjusted by figuration to avoid the mistakes of recitation, &the quran was renewed & modified

The simplified Arabic encyclopedia mentioned that:” when there were lot of mistakes in the recitation of the quran, they assigned Nasser Ibn Asem to adjust it during the epoch of Al-Hajaj Ibn Yousef Al-Thaqafy on year 660- 714 G (2)
That quran of Al-Hajaj Ibn Yousef Al-Thaqafy was depending on enormous unfamiliar verbalisms, and what corresponded to them from poetry, and a new quran emerged containing speckling, and figuration
Al-Sajistany mentioned that Al-Hajaj changed 11 sites from the quran of Othman “(3)
How the quran had such enormous change & alternations from time to time & it was mentioned that it was preserved in the preserved tablet before the beginning of time?
How it was destroyed? How it was falsified?
The Iraqi quran was the original version currently circulating all over the world (4)

The number of Qurans mentioned in Hadith:
Al-Sajistany (deceased on year 613 G) mentioned in his book that there were 26 different qurans existing among them: The quran of:
Abe Bakre - Omer Ibn Al-Khatab
Ali Ibn Abe-Taleb, - Obay Ibn Ka'b
Abdullah Ibn Masoud - Abdullah Ibn Amre
Anes Ibn Malek - Abdullah Ibn Abbas
Abdullah Ibn Al-Zoubir - Aeisha the wife of prophet
Hafsa the wife of the prophet - Om Salma the wife of the prophet
Obeid Ibn Omeir Al-Laithy - Ata' Ibn Abe Rabeh
Akrama Maola Ibn Abbas - Salem Maola Abe Hozifa
Moujahid Ibn Jabre - Saeed Bin Gabber
Al-Asowad Ibn Yazid - Alkama ibn Kaies
Muhammad Ibn Abe Mosa - Suleiman Ibn Mahran
Abe Mosa Al-Asharee - Talha
Al-Hajaj Ibn Yousef Al-Thaqafy - Hattan Ibn Abdullah

Al-Sajistany mentioned that there were 1700 differences among them

There is a book issued in Kuwait named: the dictionary of quran recitations, written by 2 eminent Islamic scholars :Dr: Abdul-Al Salem Makram and Dr: Ahmed Al-Mukhtar, the book was published by Dar Al-Salasel in Kuwait on 1982 G, in 6 volumes , It said: there was a big number of quran written till the epoch of Othman, who ordered to burn all the qurans those different from his official quran, like the quran of Abe Bakre, Obay Ibn Ka'b and others .
The book also said: there were 07 different ways of recitations of the quran; they differed in many aspects like articulation, replacement of a word by another and deletion of a word
While the quran is saying" It is we who have sent down the Dhikr (the Quran) and surely, we will guard it"
SO AFTER EXAMINING CAREFULLY, THE VERSES EATEN BY GOAT, THE FORGOTTEN VERSES BY MUHAMAD HIMSELF, THE INTRODUCTION OF SATANIC VERSES BY MUHAMAD, HIS ACTION UPON GETTING THAT REVELATIONS(HIS SUCIDE ATTEMPTS), THE DEATH OF ALL PEOPLE WHO MEMORISED IT, THE PRESERVATION & GATHERING OF QURAN PUTS MUSLIMS IN A CORNER TO CONSIDER IT AS A PERFECTLY PRESERVED BOOK.
ALL THIS ARE ISLAMIC DOCUMENTED THINGS NOT MINE, AM JUST A READER WHO PRODUCED IT.

Quran is a barbaric, out dated & book of Hate and should be banned for the sake of Humanity. Muslims are innocent people but it’s the quran & Muhamads teachings which are the Root of all terror and problem isn the world
In any muslim country the treatment of women, girls & nonmuslims are brutal and cant be justified.
The non muslim has no equal rights as a muslim and is being threatened and killed for not being a muslim.
The women are being stoned when not enough witness when being raped by muslim man & testimony of nonmuslims and muslim women is not considered.
The women is not allowed to travel alone, have a bank account & being forced to marry her rapist.
See in Saudi Arabia a moral Islamic country has the highest number of gays and lesbian where women has no right to vote or even drive a car.
A 6-8yrs old girl are being sold to old man to close family issues and being raped(Given in marriage) by them legally.
Homosexuals are being ..................* and fed them & left to die.
No nonmuslim is allowed to be buried in the land or free to practice his religion, buy his own property, etc etc
ONLY PEOPLE WHO HAS NO KNOWLEDGE OF ISLAM WILL CONSIDER IT AS A RELIGION & THE TERROR FILLED BOOK QURAN AS SOMETHING HOLY.

CLICK HERE TO GO TO THE DEBATE INTRODUCTION. 

CLICK HERE TO READ PAPER 1 i.e MR. SHAKOOR'S OPENING STATEMENT.

CLICK HERE TO READ PAPER 2 i.e MR. DAVE MARK ROWLAND'S STATEMENT.

CLICK HERE TO READ PAPER 4 i.e MR. MUSHAFIQ SULTAN'S STATEMENT.


CLICK HERE TO READ PAPER 5 i.e MR. NINAD GAIKWAD'S OPENING STATEMENT.

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5 Response to "The Origins of Quran. Paper 3. Kurein's Opening Statement."

  1. Anonymous Said,

    LOL... about 40% of it is red-herring. Anyway, Good luck.

    Posted on 20 June 2012 at 04:37

     
  2. Verla Said,

    This is how a peace loving Christian debate..calling a person lunatic, I can't be bothered to read further..

    Posted on 20 June 2012 at 04:42

     
  3. Anonymous Said,

    What a stupid way to debate, so full of hate.Typical religious christian..

    Posted on 20 June 2012 at 08:56

     
  4. simtiyaznawaz Said,

    in the name of Debate just another abuse paper from Christian. your so called "Human God" who spread love by walking and talking with people can seen through you.

    Posted on 20 June 2012 at 12:25

     
  5. "महाराजाधिराज बाबूसाहब" Said,

    In the last para, 4th line from bottom, Kurien has quoted, "See in Saudi Arabia a moral Islamic country has the highest number of gays and lesbian....". Why can't he present a potential reference in support of this statement? But he can't do this as this is what Christianity is all about! Misquoting, spreading scandals and writing all those things that may satisfy their vengeance is their only job. If this is the religion of God, I am sure Christianity has the ever rustic God in the history of religions.

    Posted on 31 December 2012 at 03:33

     

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